Two articles in The State came out recently, and I made many comments there. Many other people commented there too. There are 128 comments on the July 3 letter, “Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups” by Alan Piercy of Columbia. There are 317 comments on the July 6 article, “Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid” by Paul Strelow.
My Conclusion:
We should have a statewide referendum and leave the decision up to the voters:
Which flag would you rather fly out in front of the State House, from the flagpole in the area adjacent to the Confederate Soldier Monument?
(a) Our State Flag of South Carolina
(b) The Confederate Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia
My Comments:
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/8/2009 11:24 AM EDT on The State
This slave ship argument is the most ridiculous one I have ever heard. Our US flag and our SC State flag are our sovereign flags. There’s no confusion about why we fly them. There is immense confusion and vast disagreement about why we fly the Confederate Battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia on a flagpole out in front of the State House. If you ask people why it flies, you’ll get many, many different answers: 1) honor C-fed soldiers 2) promote racism, 3) fight against tyranny 4) fight for white supremacy 5) balance out the African-American monument 6) tribute to (white) “heritage” 7) promote secession 8) support state’s rights 9) honor the “compromise” 10) respect history 11) disrespect minorities, especially African-Americans ??) and on and on. H-3588 clears up all the confusion. H-3588 completes the compromise with clarity.
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/8/2009 2:38 AM EDT on The State
BECAUSE the action of flying the Confederate Battle flag every day out in front of the State House CONFUSES PEOPLE about what THE REASON is for why we fly it (we fly it to honor the Confederate soldiers), we should come up with a new plan of action that is CLEAR. Your new plan of action Chesterboy is to get the State of SC to state THE REASON (we fly it to honor the Confederate soldiers) in a resolution. While I congratulate you for realizing that a new plan of action is needed and for coming up with one, I say uncategorically that your plan won’t work. As Sarah Palin said (quoting Elbert Hubbard), “Never explain–your friends do not need it and your enemies will not believe you anyway.”
My plan of action is to get H-3588 passed. This bill flies the Confederate Battle flag on Confederate Memorial Day. Thus this bill takes an action to cement the flag, the monument and the holiday together, making them more solid, not less. This action MAKES THE REASON CLEAR.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/7/2009 5:20 PM EDT on The State
Let’s work to have a statewide referendum and leave the decision up to the voters: Which flag would you rather fly out in front of the State House, from the flagpole in the area adjacent to the Confederate Soldier Monument?
(a) Our State Flag of South Carolina
(b) The Confederate Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/7/2009 5:15 PM EDT on The State
H-3588 is a bill that makes it crystal clear that the one and only reason we fly the Confederate flag from the grounds of the State House is to offer our respect for the service and sacrifice of the Confederate soldiers. We don’t fly it to support racism, division, segregation, or secession. We fly it to support the Confederate soldiers.An official resolution is not sufficient to clarify our intentions. Actions, not words, are needed. The action of flying the Confederate flag solely on Confederate Memorial Day is the action that makes the words believeable.
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/7/2009 4:57 PM EDT on The State
Chesterboy, why in the world is it the job of the state government of South Carolina to “officially define the meaning of the Confederate flag?” That is the most ridiculous thing that I have ever heard of.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/7/2009 1:42 PM EDT on The State
Hey, imaconservative, you’re exactly right on topic: Which flag should we fly and when? I advocate for H-3588, which flies our state flag year-round, except on Confederate Memorial Day (CMD), and on that day, H-3588 flies the Confederate flag. Here [on that day], perhaps your suggestion is best. Or we could go through several units, and each year fly a different one, or at different times of the day (CMD), each unit could fly their flag, who knows.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/7/2009 1:38 PM EDT on The State
This third flag flies as part of the Confederate Soldier Monument, people say. But the monument was there for many, many, many years without the flag, and the flag isn’t part of the monument — it’s nearby, sort of, adjacent. So, it’s not a necessary part of the monument. It’s completely separate.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/7/2009 1:18 PM EDT on The State
Where do we fly this third flag? Out in front of the State House, at the most prominent location on the grounds — you know, where we put the Christmas tree, and where we should be flying our state flag. Are you serious? Yes.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/7/2009 1:12 PM EDT on The State
In South Carolina, we fly the US flag because it’s our national flag, and we fly the SC flag because it’s our state flag. That’s all there is to it. We have a nation, and we are a state, so we fly two flags. Done and done.
Whoops, we also fly a third flag. A third flag? Yes, a third flag. Is it our nation’s flag? No. Is it our state’s flag? No. Whose flag is it? It’s the flag of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Who? You know, the SCV. Oh, OK, Why does the state of South Carolina fly their flag?
I have no idea.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/7/2009 10:39 AM EDT on The State
Exactly right: “the Battle Flag is not the flag of the State of South Carolina and never was.” We should fly our state flag. That’s how this issue is different in SC as compared to GA or MS. We should be flying our state flag, not the Battle flag.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/7/2009 8:46 AM EDT on The State
What we’re talking about is not the past but the present and the future. How will we in SC honor and respect the Confederate soldiers today and tomorrow? How will we in SC love and respect our diverse populace today and tomorrow? We made major progress in 2000, and we can complete the so-called compromise of 2000 with the brilliant bill, H-3588.By the way, the myriad legislation in 2000 was called a compromise, but it was not. The NAACP never agreed with the action to fly the Confederate flag from the grounds of the State House. So, if your argument relies on facts that the NAACP got what it asked for and that the NAACP agreed to a compromise, well, your facts are wrong, and therefore so is your argument.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/7/2009 8:21 AM EDT on The State
H-3588 is a chance to re-endorse the 2000 actions of protecting the Confederate Soldier Monument, building a flagpole adjacent to the monument, and making Confederate Memorial Day a regular state holiday. H-3588 cements the flag, the flagpole, the monument, and the holiday together in a more solid, not less solid, way.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/7/2009 7:50 AM EDT on The State
The questions are, “Which flags should we fly and when should we fly them?” We have a flagpole out in front of the State House, and that flagpole is adjacent to the Confederate Soldier Monument. It was in 2000 when that flagpole was built, that monument was protected, and Confederate Memorial Day (CMD) was made a regular holiday.
Should we fly Bonnie Blue? Naval Jack? 1st Confederate? Battle Flag (of the Army of Northern Virginia)? Our state flag?
Our choice should be what we think will be the best choice to clearly state, so that all the world can hear, (1) that SC honors and respects her Confederate soldiers because they did their heroic duty and (2) that SC loves and respects the diversity of people of SC.
I think the best choice is in H-3588: State flag daily but Battle flag on CMD. Thus we celebrate our state and our Confederate soldiers daily and our Confederate soldiers themselves specifically on their day, Confederate Memorial Day.
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/7/2009 7:49 AM EDT on The State
The questions are, “Which flags should we fly and when should we fly them?” We have a flagpole out in front of the State House, and that flagpole is adjacent to the Confederate Soldier Monument. It was in 2000 when that flagpole was built, that monument was protected, and Confederate Memorial Day (CMD) was made a regular holiday.
Should we fly Bonnie Blue? Naval Jack? 1st Confederate? Battle Flag (of the Army of Northern Virginia)? Our state flag?
Our choice should be what we think will be the best choice to clearly state, so that all the world can hear, (1) that SC honors and respects her Confederate soldiers because they did their heroic duty and (2) that SC loves and respects the diversity of people of SC.
I think the best choice is in H-3588: State flag daily but Battle flag on CMD. Thus we celebrate our state and our Confederate soldiers daily and our Confederate soldiers themselves specifically on their day, Confederate Memorial Day.
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/6/2009 7:28 PM EDT on The State
My contention is that people who say that the NAACP supported the compromise are wrong. Your contention that once bills are passed, if someone calls the bills a “compromise,” then no new bills can ever be passed. Seems to me that, if your ridiculous logic were allowed to hold, the US should return to the 1850 boundaries determined by the Missouri compromise.
Anyway, H-3588 is true to the spirit of the compromise because it celebrates Confederate Memorial Day (which didn’t exist as a regular state holiday before the compromise) by flying the Confederate flag on the flagpole (which didn’t exist before the compromise) near the Confederate Soldier Monument.
Finally, the Confederate Soldier Monument did an excellent job of honoring the Confederate soldiers all the years when there was no Confederate flag flying anywhere on or in the State House and its grounds. The Monument honors the dead. And now, with H-3588, the holiday, the flag, and the monument all combine for a special honor!
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/6/2009 7:07 PM EDT on The State
H-3588 commemorates and celebrates Confederate Memorial Day by raising the Confederate flag at the flagpole that’s out in front of the State House, adjacent to the Confederate Soldier Monument. Nothing’s being gotten rid of. Wake up to the solution to the problem. Call and write your state legislators.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/6/2009 6:15 PM EDT on The State
The issue is that our state legislators fly the Confederate flag every day. They did it yesterday. They did it today. They’ll do it tomorrow. Myrtle Beach lost out on the ACC baseball tournament. They lost it in 2011. They lost it in 2012. They lost it in 2013. For how many more days will our state legislators insist on flying the Confederate flag? It’s not our state flag and our state has no business flying it. For how many more years will we lose out on baseball tournaments, basketball tournaments, and football bowl games? Every new day in South Carolina starts with our state legislators raising the Confederate flag. Why not raise our state flag? The solution is H-3588.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/6/2009 4:52 PM EDT on The State
H-3588 solves the problem. Call and write your state legislators. Don’t just complain. Do something about it. Solve the problem with H-3588.
Comment on: Flag fallout: ACC reverses S.C. baseball bid
7/6/2009 4:19 PM EDT on The State
All we have to do is pass a bill like H-3588 and we can end the NAACP boycott and the NCAA ban. It’s a respectful bill that completes the compromise with clarity. We fly our state flag instead of the Confederate flag on every day, with the exception of Confederate Memorial Day. What better day to fly the Confederate flag then Confederate Memorial Day!
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/6/2009 3:49 PM EDT on The State
http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/968457.html
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups at 7/6/2009 8:28 AM EDT on The State
First, the “compromise” wasn’t a true compromise at all, and the NAACP never supported it; the bills in 2000 were simply spun as a compromise. Second, people, such as Rev. Joe Darby, who want this flying flag issue to finally be solved are being very reasonable: He wants to resolve the issue “so that all South Carolinians can celebrate our shared history and offer appropriate respect to our diverse heritage.” Finally, read the bill H-3588, which is highly respectful to the C-fed flag and to the Confederate soldiers. One could argue that “H-3588 completes the compromise with clarity” by clarifying WHEN to fly the C-fed flag — on Confederate Memorial Day. It’s a wonderful bill that will solve this flying flag problem in a respectful way for everyone.
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/5/2009 12:22 AM EDT on The State
The flag flies out in front of the State House and adjacent to the Confederate Soldier Monument. The monument honors the dead. H-3588 is the solution to the problem: We fly our state flag there on every day except Confederate Memorial Day. Thus we honor the Confederate soldiers year-round, and we have a special commemoration, complete with Confederate flag raising and lowering ceremonies every year on Confederate Memorial Day.
The issue is simple: The Confederate flag is NOT OUR STATE FLAG. Our state government HAS NO BUSINESS FLYING IT, except on Confederate Memorial Day, as part of a respectful ceremony. If anyone wants to fly it themselves, go ahead — there’s no censorship issue! A vote would be great, and people will choose to fly our state flag — We South Carolinians love our state flag. Let’s fly our state flag!
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/4/2009 3:21 PM EDT on The State
It would be great for our state legislators to fly our state flag out in front of the State House, and the current flagpole would be appropriate because our state flag also has an important connection to the Confederate soldiers from SC. “The General Assembly adopted the current version of South Carolina’s flag on January 28, 1861. This version added the Palmetto tree to the original design by Colonel William Moultrie in 1775 for use by South Carolina troops during the Revolutionary War.”
“Dating back to 1765, the South Carolina State Flag reminds us of its role in the American Revolution and maintains its place in the annals of the Civil War with a design that was formulated as a National banner when the state seceded from the union on December 20, 1860.”
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/4/2009 10:56 AM EDT on The State
A museum is not oblivion, and people can fly the C-fed flag as much as they want. Taking it down from the State House is not sending it to oblivion; in fact, taking it down does nothing negative to the C-fed flag. H-3588 celebrates the C-fed flag on Confederate Memorial Day. This bill is a triumph for everyone, and it honors Confederate soldiers and the flag they carried.
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/4/2009 7:54 AM EDT on The State
Some people, such as Pawmetto, see the Confederate flag as an international symbol against tyranny. Other people see the flag as an international symbol of tyranny. Both groups are arguing that the meaning of the flag has changed from when it was a soldiers’ battle flag.
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/4/2009 12:40 AM EDT on The State
The current problems are:
(1) we don’t fly our state flag out in front of the State House
(2) we have a Confederate Memorial Day holiday with no special flag ceremonies
(3) our state law says WHERE we must fly the C-fed flag — from a flagpole out in front of the State House — but the law doesn’t say WHEN
(4) our state’s action of flying the C-fed flag defines our state (many people, including our President, refer to our state as “South Carolina, where the Confederate Flag still flies”)
(5) our state’s action on this issue divides South Carolinians against each other
(6) our state’s economy is hurting due to the NAACP’s boycott and the NCAA’s ban — no March Madness and no football bowl games in SC
The obvious solution to all of these problems is H-3588. We fly our state flag every day except Confederate Memorial Day, and on that day we fly the C-fed flag. Please contact your state legislator and support this bill.
Comment on: Confederate flag has been tainted by racist groups
7/4/2009 12:10 AM EDT on The State
The question of whether or not to remove the flag was NEVER placed in front of the voters OF SOUTH CAROLINA. The only thing close to a vote of South Carolinians was the following: During a Republican primary in SC, many years ago, a question was asked about the flag. Now, most voters don’t vote in primaries, and obviously very few Democrats would have voted in the Republican primary. So the results from any question in that context are meaningless. Just to further describe how meaningless such results are, consider the following: If SC had to use the primary results as our final results for the 2008 vote for president, Obama would have beaten McCain 295,091 to 147,283 (note that Obama more than doubled McCain). Finally, as to the difference between the Confederate flag and the Battle flag [of the Confederate army of Northern Virginia], one’s a rectangle and one’s a square (and by the way, a square is a rectangle).


